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00:00 Hour 2 Overdrive continues. Powered by FanDuel. Bringing you more ways to play your game your way. Brian Hayes, Jonas Siegel, Keegan Matheson in here. 00:10 Steve Phillips coming up in a few moments. A little arbitration later in the hour. Best bets coming up. 00:16 I'm done betting blotty props. 00:19 Not happening anymore. 00:20 I hope you haven't been. 00:21 Well, last night I... 00:25 I sold myself on the idea of this guy finally not only hitting a home run, but hitting a moonshot. Because you can actually bet on that, like 420-plus feet home run. So, yeah, I convinced myself that when he gets one, he's really going to turn on a ball. 00:43 You know? Like, if he hits a home run, I don't think it's just going to, like, bloop over the wall. I think he's going to smack one. So I went down that road last night, and it actually paid a lot. The only problem is it didn't happen. Yeah. 00:54 That's usually the main problem. It made sense. With a losing bet. Can I ask you guys a question? 00:58 Which slump do you think is the most painful to watch in any sport? Is it a goalie who can't stop the puck? Is it a pitcher who just can't find the strike zone? Is it a hitter who's just deep in it? Is it a quarterback who's like, man, he's going to throw a pick every time? 01:17 What is the worst? A batter might be a golfer, maybe. 01:22 A golfer with the yips is very difficult. If someone has a short putting issue, it's very uncomfortable. 01:30 I remember Chuck Knobloch when he couldn't throw to first base. 01:34 That's a legit mental block, though. That's not like performance. That's like he can't trigger his brain to throw the ball the way he knows he can. 01:42 A hitter's up there. 01:44 That's the one spot where the other guy makes the first move, and you can look real, real. But think of Vladdy flailing at those low and away sliders. That looks worse than a receiver dropping one. 01:54 And like you said before, you can't try harder. 01:57 I think there's something to a pitcher, a starting pitcher in particular, that's really in a bad place. 02:03 where it becomes like a watch party of... Yeah, who was... 02:08 Remember Rick Ankeo? He kept throwing it. He got the yips. Well, that was the yips, but I'm talking performance. 02:13 I thought you were going to say Ricky Romero. Ricky was in that spot. When Ricky was having real command control, he had every issue. 02:22 It was very tough to watch because I remember being on the air and being like, all right, Ricky's on a mountain. He hasn't gotten out of the second inning the last five starts. Right. 02:32 What was he going to do tonight? 02:34 Alec Manoa a couple years ago. 02:35 Manoa was exactly like that, where you get to a point where you know it's going to be ugly, and they haven't pitched in five days, and this is their moment to finally turn it around. In the first inning, you're like, man, the guy threw 32 pitches, gave up three runs. This is big, big trouble. 02:53 Because a quarterback who's throwing picks, that is so explosively bad. 03:00 If you throw a pick, you can't play, you can't win. Where technically you can go to the bullpen, you can't do that in football. You're not going to the backup quarterback because the guy's going to throw a picture in the game. If he's down bad, he's down bad, but he's going to keep playing. Because if he's that bad and he's still starting, the guy behind him stinks even worse. 03:18 Yeah, I'm thinking of Zach Wilson, the Jets. 03:21 Yes. That was troubling. There's good and bad ways to throw interceptions. There's the Brett Favre way, which I would argue is real cool. The best. 03:28 Gunslinger way. Then there's the petrified playoff Deshaun Watson last year way, where you are cowering and praying to God those defenders get away from you, so you just flail it. Yeah. There's different ways to go about the business. Very different ways. 03:41 That's a good question, though. The most difficult process to watch a guy try to get himself out of. 03:47 I think it's this. I think baseball's harder. Because you're just isolated up there. You're on a stage, and everybody is watching you fail. 03:54 Yeah, you're not running plays. There's no teammate to bail you with. 03:57 There's so much happening in football. 03:58 Right? 04:00 You are the only guy they're looking at. And if you screw up, my God. 04:06 And it's such a measured sport. Like... There's no way to hide from your struggles. Yes. We are going to measure every single thing about it. I can tell you the angles at which Vladdy's bat is approaching this. We've measured too much, I'm afraid. But we can break down why a baseball player sucks, unlike any other sport in the world. Yeah. Why can't Vladdy figure that out? 04:26 Isn't that the ultimate question? That's a great question. I haven't been asked that this year, you know? Like, why can't he figure that out? I was telling Jonas before we came on here that whenever I'm stopped, everyone has that question. But there's never... 04:39 It always comes second. Hey, Keegan, love you on Overdrive. What a tremendous program, etc., etc. And then always at the end, it comes with a lean-in. It's always... 04:49 What's up with that guy? What's up with Vlad? 04:51 As if I've held this secret deep within me all year. I would sell that to the Blue Jays for so many millions of dollars if I had the answer. But I love the lean-in. There are a lot of people that believe they have the answer, right? 05:03 He's too aggressive. He's swinging at the first pitch too often. You've got to just sit back and wait for your pitch. Where his bat is, the angle. Has he got his bat too high? Is his front foot dropping the way it's supposed to drop? I don't know. I mean, there's obviously analysis to it. He's going through it. Popkins is going through it. I'm sure Schneider's involved in those meetings. I'm sure everyone in the organization. I wouldn't be shocked if Atkins and Shapiro... 05:27 popped in it's oh totally said it what the hell's going on a lot of individuals wearing quarter zips yes a lot of quarter zips in the process in trying to you're going to hear a lot about is he hurt yeah uh i don't care go in the il i'm going to refuse that whole excuse cycle before we get into it at the end oh exactly if you're hurt hit the il this team can go without a 695 ops for eight games That is the reality. 05:49 Like if you take his name and contract out of it, he's hitting like eighth in the lineup. Yeah. Honestly, he'd be like, he wouldn't. It's tough. It's not good. 05:58 All right. Steve Phillips coming up here in a moment. Again, the Red Sox winning today. 06:03 Do they have enough, in your opinion, to turn this incredible story into an actual run? 06:10 Isn't this classic Red Sox, too? Just like the gritty, gritty Red Sox. Yes. No city loves that narrative like Boston. It fits the Red Sox more. It never fit like Tom Brady. Shut up. No. But the Red Sox... with the injuries they've had, with their young stars like Roman Anthony and Marcelo Meyer. Like, these guys haven't been what they're supposed to be. 06:30 And there are some veterans towards the ends of contracts. There are some one-year guys, some cast-offs. 06:37 And, I mean, they fired their manager. They fired Alex Cora, which I still think is a bonehead decision at the start of the year. Worked out. Both doing it. Now they did it. But, man, like, to tie the longest winning streak in franchise history... for a team that's been around for a million years. I think 1946 is the last time they did this. This is unbelievable, man. And Boston, when it gets going like that, is such a special place, man. 07:01 When it catches fire there, there is something contagious about... Fenway Park and those fans and that setting. 07:11 When they get momentum on this, it's one of those special places, man. And I don't know how they're doing it. I really don't. But now's the time for them to go out and buy, man. Make a run. That's it. 07:20 And we were talking about it off the air. Is that a spot that maybe Springer could fit in there? I've seen some people write that and suggest it. And I've also seen people in Boston, naturally, and I get it, looking at his numbers and saying, what are you getting from George Shipp? Springer. But we also saw last year, it was such a remarkable year, World Series MVP. Last year he had, in my opinion, the second, maybe third biggest hit in franchise history with what he did in Game 7 against Seattle. 07:50 there's still a big game player in there, I think, with George. And I don't know what the value would be. I don't know what you're getting back in return if you're the Blue Jays. I don't know how comfortable you are in trading him within the division, too, and the idea of watching Springer if you're not going to get a great price. 08:05 If they're kind of low-balling you a little bit and you let George go and he sets Boston on fire and they continue down this road... 08:13 But it could happen this weekend. They're in Boston on Friday. 08:16 There could be a scenario there where the old clubhouse shuffle before or after the game. 08:22 Because I know a number of people that are going down there this weekend. And again, I think the anticipation was, I'm going down there thinking the Jays will have won 15 in a row in a red hot. And the Red Sox are the worst team in the division. I guess we got to go anyways. 08:35 I guess we're going. And now you're going. 08:37 Now you're going for the museum that is Fenway and the atmosphere that is a Red Sox fan base when they're alive and well. 08:45 And that's where they are right now. 08:47 I can see Springer being such a fit there. Yeah. They traded Danny Jansen there, right? They're not scared. They've done it before. 08:54 They've done it before. 08:56 And I know the numbers aren't there, man, but I think once you activate George Springer, there's one more run left in that guy. Money matters, too. You know, what's Springer making this year? 25 mil? Yeah. 09:06 He's free after this year, right? Which I think, again, you would think is an easier sell to try to meet your price. Totally. 09:14 But they're taking that on, and that goes... So what's left of Springer at that point? Seven, eight mil. Does that impact whether you get an actual prospect or just a player to be named later who is, you know, three months from now, we'll send you a list of a couple 17-year-olds down in our complex to pick from. I don't know if there's going to be much value, but maybe there's a bit of a value to getting out of 15 million bucks. 09:36 Yeah. 09:36 You know, I don't think there should be for an ownership group like this. They've got enough. But if you can play with the money, that's an underrated factor in the deadline, how the Jays can play with money here. They've done very well with that in the past. So look out for any of the cash considerations, dollar signs. 09:51 Cash considerations could be something we hear a lot about in the next week and a half. Is that what you're telling me? All right, let's bring in our TSM baseball insider. Joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline, here's Steve Phillips. What's happening, Steve? 10:05 Hey guys, good to be with you. How are you? 10:06 Yeah, we're doing well. Unfortunately, we're talking about the Jays being a seller here at the trade deadline. And we referenced George Springer. And, you know, George, his struggles this year, well documented. He's, you know, there's no pop in the bat. His numbers are way down. He's 36. His contract's up at the end of the year. But he is a former World Series MVP. He is a guy that performed incredibly well last year, especially in the playoffs. 10:33 If you're a team like Boston, a team like, I don't see Tampa necessarily doing this, but one of the front-running teams in Major League Baseball, would you see value in acquiring a guy like George Springer? 10:46 Yeah, I mean, if you look at his postseason numbers, he's one of the best postseason players in history. I mean, he is a great postseason performer. The Chicago White Sox should go after George Springer. They're young. They have very little experience in postseason play. They have very little experience about being in first place down the stretch. And so a guy like Springer would be huge for the White Sox. to be able to nurture some of those young players right there, work them through it, talk to them through it. And so, yeah, I could absolutely see that he could be a factor for a team there. 11:18 You know, the Phillies, I think, are looking for a right-handed bat. Now, they ideally need an outfielder, and Springer obviously hasn't brought a glove to the ballpark in weeks. 11:29 but if he could muster the energy to get out to the outfield a little bit, I think a right-handed bat there, because Schwarber's going to DH, but getting a guy like Springer into a DH role would be a factor there. The White Sox can afford him in a DH role. I could see the Guardians considering a guy like that. The Twins, if they think they want to go for it a little bit. So I think that there are some guys that have better numbers, but I think for that team that's looking for, even if it's a platoon situation and a veteran leader, I could see Springer fitting for some clubs out there down the stretch. 12:02 Steve, I feel like Kevin Gosman might kind of run parallel to George Springer where it's an older veteran player. You're betting on, can we get two more months out of this guy being who they once were? Do you see there being much of a market for someone like him coming off of a tough stretch? And do you think the teams out there will still believe that they can grab a number three mid-rotation guy a little cheaper? 12:26 Yeah, so I think that as it stands today, if they wanted to sell, I think he would be well down the list. He's got probably two starts. I think there's 10 games before the 6 p.m. deadline on the third. He'll probably have two starts in there. I mean, one, if he goes out there and he pitches great, then I think there will be some interest there that maybe whatever was going on, he's been able to overcome a little bit. If he gets a second start on the 31st and goes out there and deals and pitches well, then I think maybe you could see some more aggressive play on that. 12:59 But his performance has been disappointing. It's one of the reasons why they are where they are right now. He's 0-6 in his last 10 starts with a 6.1 ERA. I mean, it's been awful. 13:10 And he doesn't seem to have an answer for it. So, you know, I think that that, you know, somebody will probably take a chance on him, even if he doesn't pitch better. But I think that if they want to get anything in return, he's going to have to give them one really quality start or two very good starts to get something back. 13:30 Continuing with that theme of starting pitchers, you know, with the history veteran guys, Shane Bieber's a little bit different because of his, you know, most recent two seasons, basically, where he's coming off, you know, Tommy John last year. It took him a long time to get back into the lineup. Pitched okay in the playoffs this year. Took him a while to get back into the rotation. Hasn't been so great. 13:50 How could they possibly sell that if you're a respective GM out there? A guy like Bieber, his history, who he is, do you see a value, do you see a market with a guy like Shane Bieber? 14:01 Yeah, I think what you're selling is his last start was pretty good. 14:06 And he'll need to have another good start. And at that point, it's just a matter of, you know what, he's shaking off the rust. He just needed a couple outings to kind of get himself back on track again. Fastball velocity's back where it's been when he was pitching his best back in Cleveland. He's never been an overpowering guy. The breaking stuff, the spin rate's on it. You can spin... If he gives you another good start, you could spin the veteran guy down the stretch who, when he missed time and came back off the engine last year, did a nice job for the Jays, more than a serviceable job. 14:36 And I think that you could sell, yeah, he's missed time, but he did that before and he was good when he came back. So I think there's a way to do it, but again, not a major return. 14:46 Well, Steve, actually, that's what I was curious about. As a GM, how do you decide whether... 14:51 The return is just worthwhile or do you just hang on to a guy? In a lot of these situations, it's all down years. So you're just not going to be getting back what you want. 15:01 I mean, what's the line between let's just get something back or we just hold him? 15:06 Yeah, if they're going to walk at the end of the year and they're free agents in this expiring contract, trade them. Get what you can get. Cut your losses. Get what you can get. Get off and sell the money. Go get prospects in return. 15:19 And now, you know, my experience has been that whatever money you save by trading away veterans with expiring contracts, that money's not really there for you next year. It just might cut your losses for this year a little bit. It's not like you say, oh, well, you know what, you saved $15 million. I'm going to put that on your payroll for next year. And again, we don't even know what the payroll is going to be for next year. But I think that if you've got expiring contracts and somebody wants them and you can get a dozen bats and balls, get them. You might as well do it. There's no sense holding on to somebody that you're not going to offer a qualifying offer if that's still in play in this next CBA. 15:53 You know, they're not going to give Bieber a qualifying offer. I don't know, you can give Gosman a qualifying offer right now going into next season. So I think that because of that, you take what you can get. 16:04 Steve, when you look at the Blue Jays now, and you have been behind these closed doors for teams that are having good years, frustrating years, and I'm really interested now by how John Schneider's handling the public messaging on this. He said, listen, I know you guys want me to get angry. Fans want me to get angry. It's not going to happen. And, of course, what we hear there is much different than what he's telling players behind closed doors. But in this situation, do you want your manager to be that steady, calm presence? Or is there a time to get bleeped at the podium and throw some things for a manager? 16:39 When does that come? 16:41 Yeah, so I think that... 16:45 I want him to be the steadying influence, but I think there's also a time when you flip over the table in the clubhouse with all the food on it, and you throw a temper tantrum, and you chew him up a little bit and spit him out. And then you go to the press conference, and you just say, listen, we have a little talk, and I think the boys heard the message loud and clear. We'll see if it has any impact on them at all. If you have to say anything at all, if it leaks out that you... You know, you tore into it a little bit. Then you can say, listen, I'm not going to talk about what happened in the clubhouse, but you can understand that, you know, we're pushing the guys the most, the best way we can. 17:22 But I would think at some point that he needs to erupt. Behind closed doors. I don't want to publicly call out players and throw anybody under a bus. I don't think that works. I think you lose your team that way. But I think there's a way to do it in the clubhouse where the message is clear. I love you. But, Doug, you better get yourself going a little bit right now or things are going to change around here in the future. 17:46 Yeah, he's really trying to lay it on thick that it's not an effort issue, it's not a caring issue, so he just can't do it. 17:55 Which, I think the problem he's created there, Steve, or the corner he's backed himself into, is if he does blow up now, I think the first question would be, if I'm Keegan Matheson down there, is, okay, so who didn't give the effort that led to this? Yeah. Like now that you've blown up, because last week when they were terrible, like they have been embarrassed the last two nights, like destroyed by Tampa. And he's coming out with the same message. You want me to snap? I'm not going to do it. Not an effort thing. If he does snap tonight, then doesn't he have to give you an answer on who didn't give you the effort? 18:28 Like if that's his explanation, I'm only going to snap if I don't like the effort. Then if he does snap, he's got to explain who didn't give it to him. 18:36 Right, right. 18:40 You're right about that. And it would be a fair question to ask him, 100%. I think that this is a results-based industry. 18:48 This is a results-based job. And yes, effort is critical, but I expect... that. 18:56 If you're not giving me 100%, but at some point, you've got to start making plays. Enough of the making errors and everything else. I patted you on the back. That part didn't work. I would have to leave open for myself different tools to be able to push buttons on players. Sometimes, anger can get them going. What you do, you may call out your veterans and say, call them in, Springer and Vladi, and say, boys, We gotta change something here. So understand, you're the leaders. 19:27 I'm gonna tear you up a little bit right now in front of the boys, and I need you to be able to handle it, take it, and use it to inspire everybody else. I think there's a way to do that with your veterans, because once you do it to them, It impacts everybody else, because if you're chewing up on Vlad Garou and George Springer, then what do you think everybody else is feeling? Like, if Snyder's disappointed in those guys, then he's disappointed in me, too. 19:52 And I think players sometimes expect that. remember some of the best butt chewings that we ever got from minor league managers that were just unbelievable like I've I've seen them later and I said man that speech you gave when I was in Pittsfield Massachusetts like I still have goosebumps about that one and he'll laugh about it the manager you know Sam Perlazzo longtime major league coach he's oh my gosh it was one of the greatest butt chewings I've ever heard But I've had every year a manager would give something to somebody flipping over the food table just to see if it could spark the team to get them going in a different direction. 20:25 Sometimes it works, but sometimes it doesn't. But you've got to try something. 20:29 Steve, if you're in the front office or the manager's office and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is on your team, any star player, face of the franchise is on your team, sub 700 OPS, everything is going wrong. 20:42 What do you want to see from them down the stretch? Do you want to see some of that frustration come out similarly? What do you look for or want to avoid seeing? 20:51 Yeah, I don't think players getting overly like players are so hard on themselves as it is like their internal voices. If people could see, you know, like in cartoons, they have the bubble that pops up that shows what you're thinking. If they could actually see what the guys were thinking about themselves, you wouldn't believe how much they're beating themselves up. 21:11 And so I don't want him to beat himself up more because that to me compounds the problem. It forces you to try harder and trying harder gets you in a deeper hole. You start to do too much. You jump at the pitcher. You're overthrowing. You're overcharging a ball in the outfield and it gets by you. It doesn't work to get on a guy to try harder. And so you've got to try to take the burden off of them. But I think that at some point, a nudge here and there, if it's not working with the pat on the back and the hug, then I think a kick in the seat of the pants is okay. 21:45 And I don't need Vladdy to throw a bat and get frustrated. I don't need him to get thrown out of a game. But I've got to try something for him, to him, so that it can trigger something to get him going. 21:58 So the Red Sox won again this afternoon. That's 15 wins in a row for the Boston Red Sox. What is the ceiling for them this season? 22:09 Yeah, I mean, they've kind of exceeded it right now. I mean, I like them coming into the year, and then they were so bad early on they couldn't hit. And now, honestly, it's when the Scottish soccer fans showed up at Fenway Park. And I say that, and it's funny, but I actually think there's some truth to it because all of a sudden they started to have fun. you know, they were losing and they were down and they were hanging their head. Nobody was smiling. Then all of a sudden they win some games. They're like, people are going crazy. And like, they're like, this is the greatest thing ever. And then it kind of reinforces that fun and the behavior. 22:41 And then the more you produce, the more you celebrate each other and more, you stop thinking about yourself, the more you're celebrating, looking at the fans, it pulled them right out of their, their, their, uh, morass and got them going in a different direction. And so, um, I think that what they believe in themselves right now is they're good enough. Their starting pitching is really good, and that's without Crochet. And with Connolly Early on the injured list right now, they've got really good starting pitching. They've got a team coming together offensively. You think about that. They don't have Mark or Roman Anthony playing either. 23:13 I would say Mark Anthony. Congratulations to him and his wife having their second child together, his eighth kid. But I saw that at People magazine or something. But but I mean, you know, Roman Anthony's not doing anything. But this is just a team that's believing in themselves. And I got to believe that Alex Corr sitting there going, wait, really? Like this team's playing like this right now. And I'm sitting at home and and boy, I wish I could be part of it. 23:36 No kidding. Yep, no kidding. It's an incredible run. We'll see what they have in the second game of the doubleheader today against Baltimore. Jays in action tonight. Steve, great catching up with you, buddy. We'll do it soon. 23:49 Okay, thanks, guys. Have a good night. 23:50 I knew we got screwed when Scotland didn't end up in Toronto. Like, I knew we were getting screwed when Scotland wasn't here, so the Scottish fans couldn't drink us dry here in Toronto. Go to Blue Jay Games and just start chanting. 24:14 We got screwed. 24:14 I was in Boston when they were there for that series, many of them staying at the same hotel as me. I thought I was a big leaguer when it came to putting back a Guinness. I realize there are greats out there. 24:28 I stood amongst giants. When you have... 24:31 Not a reputation, a legitimate trail, like this thing has been reported on and well-sourced, that you drank a city dry. 24:42 That is just remarkable effort and, dare I say, talent. 24:47 I respected it. In a town like Boston, this isn't a small market. This isn't a place. No shortage of ale in Boston. Boston's one of the great party towns you can find. They love to have a drink. 25:03 And the Scottish fans rolled through there and said, there's just not enough here for us. 25:08 It was amazing. And it sparked the Sox. 25:11 The Red Sox sucked that weekend, but there was chants, there was singing. It was something else, man. Isn't Steve the best? Who else has got Mark Anthony riffs for us off of him? 25:21 I didn't realize he had a child. That's spectacular. How old is Mark Anthony? He must be in his 50s. 25:24 Because he was married to J-Lo at one point. He was a long time ago. 25:28 Yeah. I like Mark Anthony. 25:30 You're a fan? He's got some jam. 25:32 Is that right? Yeah. I can't name one of his songs. I'm sure I would know him to hear it. You would know it. 25:37 There's like, I don't want to. Give us some carry-off. 25:40 Give us some carry-off. 25:41 It's like Vivere something something. It's a really good song. We'll play it. 25:45 Okay. JP, Mark Anthony on the way in. All right. Arbitration coming up. Best Bets later in the hour. Overdrive continues up on YouTube Live. 25:54 Hello, Canada. This is Brian Adams Radio. 25:58 Hosted by Brian Adams himself. 26:00 We'll play a few of mine, a ton of my favorites, and some must-hear behind-the-scenes stories from the world of rock and roll. One thing about doing rock and roll so long is you end up meeting a lot of the people that you admire. Sometimes you even get to work with them. 26:15 Brian Adams Radio. Now available on the free iHeartRadio app. Hey, everybody. 26:21 How are you tonight? Sounds great. 26:24 You don't know this? Don't know this song. 26:26 This was someone's walk-up song. It's so good. I forget who it was. Was it Teosco or Lord Esqueriel Jr.? It was one of the Blue Jays Latin guys the last few years had their walk-up song. 26:34 This is a classic. 26:35 Is it? Yeah. It truly is. I swear. Okay. It truly is. It's not my wheelhouse. This guy has collected... 26:43 the Grammys and the Latin Grammys like he's Tom Brady. 26:46 Is that his number one hit? Like, is that the most well-known track? 26:50 Yeah. He's got some other big ones. 26:52 I hope so. I mean, if I guys win a Grammys, he's got to have a lot of big songs. He has a great voice. Like, I'm well aware of who he is. I know he's... You know him because of J-Lo, right? Basically, I know him because of J-Lo. I've been able to go a little deep on this. 27:05 You have Google alerts. Yeah, I want to know what's going on with her. I spent the break putting in more time on Mark Anthony's Wikipedia page than I ever have, fellas. On either side of Jennifer Lopez, he was married to a different Miss Universe. Is that right? Wow. How about that? 27:22 You know what it is? 27:22 He's got swagger. Just watch some of his music videos. 27:26 He can dance. I bet he hasn't done up his top four buttons since the 70s. 27:31 Where is he from? 27:33 I think he's... Good question. I think it said born New York. He's a New Yorker. 27:39 Oh, really? Okay. Good for him. 27:45 Yeah, he's from New York. 27:48 But Puerto Rican. 27:50 Born in New York to Puerto Rican. I'm going to send you some songs. Okay. 27:53 Send me a get hazy on... Yeah, I'll get around to that. 27:57 Make them a playlist. Yeah. Burn a CD. 28:00 That would be old school. That'd be great. I'd enjoy that. Please do, Jonas. All right. Arbitration. You guys know how to play this? Pretty simple stuff. Generally, it's a player... 28:11 Maybe it's a team, walks in arbitration, the result is pumped out, and then you either take it or you leave it. So basically you're doing the math on whether or not that makes sense or not, like whether you're willing to accept it. 28:25 Let's begin with an NFL arbitration case. The Buffalo Bills walk into arbitration. They are offered a loss in the Super Bowl. 28:34 Would they take it or leave it? Would you take a Super Bowl loss right now if you're the Buffalo Bills? 28:40 I'd leave that because of how many they've had. That's so specifically heartbreaking. I know. 28:44 Yet, great season, right? Yeah. Obviously made the playoffs. Kind of like earlier with the Leafs. Like, what success? Oh, we'll get to them in a moment. 28:51 And if the answer is always just a Super Bowl or a World Series or the Stanley Cup, you're going to have a miserable life. For most of your life, most of your years, you're going to be miserable. But, man, I still leave that. 29:06 You're leaving it. 29:06 I'm taking it all the way. 29:08 Just so much torture history. I know I'm getting by Mahomes. I know I'm getting by all the Joe Burrows and everybody like that. I don't know. My other option is maybe I miss the playoffs. Maybe I lose in the first. I don't know. At least I could spin that as success, sort of. 29:28 Yeah, I mean, it matches to an extent, like the Jim Kelly era. Yes, they went to four straight, but they didn't win any of those. 29:37 There's no context on what happens in the Super Bowl. Do you get pumped? Does that make it worse? If it's a close game, is it even more heartbreaking? Obviously, they have a wide right scenario. I can't imagine how people in Buffalo would ever react to that. They'd tear down this stadium, too. Yeah, I think the sensible choice is to take it. To be one of the last two teams. There's just so many other crappy offense. 100%. Because then that also presumes Allen's healthy, had a great year. The offensive line was intact. Joe Brady, really good coach. Good hire. Really good hire. 30:06 There's a lot of things you could walk away from and say, man, that was a great season. 30:10 But I just feel like I'd leave it because Allen, I'm looking at it through the lens of Josh Allen, you've got to win one. 30:19 You do not want to be this generation's Dan Marino. You know, you just, you don't. But there's so many. The only better outcome is you win. All the other outcomes are worse. Of course they are. Is it that much worse that they lose in the AFC championship game? Yes. It is that much worse. Given all the other times? Okay. 30:38 Yeah. 30:38 Worse than losing to the Packers in the Super Bowl. I'm expanding that. I like that idea. I like that idea. But listen, Josh Allen is not going to play like this forever, too. That's why you've got to take advantage of this. Urgency, man. That's it. He's not going to play this style of football until he's 38. 30:53 I mean, my God. Mahomes coming off the injury. 30:56 I don't know about the weapons in Kansas City. You know, does he have enough to be competitive? 31:02 Drake May and the Patriots, they obviously had a remarkable season last year, but I think they come back to earth a little bit. 31:08 I just feel like the Bills, they're in a window here where it's like you've got to try to win it. They've been good enough. They've been knocking on that door for five years now, where if they had have won the Super Bowl, any of the previous five years you'd say was totally earned. They were good enough. They were built to win it. 31:25 They still have some question marks, of course. You know, there's some turnover on defense. Got Joe Brady there. McDermott's not there anymore. It's a big question mark. Like, did they hire the right guy? Can I ask you? I don't know what the Leaf one is. I'm leaving it, though. I'm getting greedy. I want a Super Bowl. 31:38 Okay, so can I ask you as a Leaf fan, put your Leaf fan hat on? I just give you, you make the Stanley Cup final, but you lose. 31:46 You're taking that all day and running with it. 31:48 You are because of what just happened last year. I do think, again, you've got to consider where the Bills are. The Bills made the playoffs. They make the playoffs every single year. So did this team. Yeah, but the Leafs didn't have the equivalent. Florida was not their Kansas City. In 23, they lost in five games. Yes. 32:08 Right? Like, they lost the first two games at home. That series was, they were down 3-0. Yeah. They won game four. So, like, that series was over like that. The Bills and the Chiefs had multiple battles where they, like, the Bills had those games. The Leafs have not had the same thing. I just think it's a different level of expectation. Sure. 32:29 But when you have a battle with the Leafs, I would take a sweep in a cup final right now. 32:34 Let's just throw that out there right now. Lease walk-in arbitration. Four-game sweep cup final. They lose. They lose. 100%. Yeah, you take it because of how bad last year was. 32:45 And they've won two playoff series. 32:47 That would be three playoff runs. That would be their first cup final in 60 years. 32:52 It would be heartbreaking, but you'd take it. 32:56 Yeah. Unfortunately, you'd take it. 32:58 All right, let's keep moving on here. I'm going to move past the Josh Allen one here, Joe. I'm going to get to a Scotty Scheffler one. I know this is where I'm waiting for you. Mark Anthony and Scotty Scheffler takes from Jonas. 33:10 Scotty walks into arbitration. He has offered one major in the next two years. 33:15 One of the next eight. 33:17 He did not get one this year. He gets one of the next eight. Take it or leave it. 33:24 Number one player in the world. 33:26 Still in his prime. I think I'm still leaving that. 33:29 You're going to bank on him winning two points? I want two. I want to get greedy and set the line at two and a half. 33:35 That's just under. 33:37 I'm thinking back through the open, but I'm going to leave that. What do you like? 33:41 Leaving it all the way. 33:42 Really? 33:42 Yeah. 33:44 I'm greedy if I'm him. Who am I looking at and being like, I'm so worried about your ex? 33:49 Very reasonable. Ryan Fox, Aaron Rye. Those are the guys that won the past two majors or two of the past three majors. Wyndham Clark at the U.S. Open, which was more just random. And he's in everything. He T5 this one. He finished solo second at the Masters. 34:09 But I think he's sitting on four majors. You guarantee me a fifth. Now he's to a point where every one he gets, you move up to like, all right, that's where Lee Trevino is. That's where Gary Player and Mickelson is. You know what I mean? There's a part of me that would take it because I think what this year proved is as good as he has been the last four or five years, it is really tough to win, man. And if you take – you guarantee me, if I'm Scotty Scheffler, one of the next eight – Then you're at five, I believe, in your career, and you're like 32. 34:40 You still got a lot of runway to get up to maybe seven, eight, nine, ten. 34:47 I might take it. 34:48 You know what this makes me think of? If I gave you guys the next ten years for Victor Wembenyama, and said, I'll just give you one title for the next ten years. 34:57 I'm taking that. 34:58 Really? Yes. 34:59 See, I'd say forget it. 35:01 I am smacking that off the table. But living in the era of the second apron, which is essentially a cap now because no one's touching it, and it requires a PhD to understand, unfortunately. I mean, none of these teams are lasting, which I hate. I know. I want there to be an evil empire. I want there to be the Brady Patriots and the 90s Bulls. I want there to be a team that upsets everyone and everyone else hates. 35:25 Yeah. 35:25 We're not there with the NBA anymore. See it with the Thunder coming up. 35:28 I think it's eight different winners in the last eight years, I believe. Yeah. So I know the Spurs are right there, and he's got a great cast around him. He's got some really quality young players that are with him. 35:41 But it's very difficult to win. 35:45 He hasn't won before, so the idea of just making sure you do get one, which I am fairly certain they are going to win a championship in the next 10 years. 35:52 Unless he gets hurt. 35:53 But that's the thing. He is 7'6", and this guy, his legs are like this Mike. 36:02 But if you ask him for the next decade, like, you only won one championship, is that a success or failure? He would say it's a failure. 36:07 Okay, does that apply to Shea? If Shea wins one in Oklahoma City, that's it. He's done. Is that a failure for Shea? 36:15 No. 36:16 Why is it different for the two-time MVPs? 36:19 Because this guy is the alien. He is unlike anything we've ever seen. 36:24 Doesn't guarantee anything, though. Just being unique. Yao Ming was unique. Yao didn't win. 36:29 He's also just starting. It's like McDavid. If you guaranteed McDavid one cup right now and that's it, he's taking it all the time. 36:37 I'm glad you referenced him because he's the perfect reason why you grab it. Because you just don't know. But basketball is different. 36:45 One player can swing it so much more than one player. 36:48 Sure, but that's against the point. You can't guarantee anything in the future. Where McDavid, you're probably right. If you asked him when he was 21... 36:57 I'll give you one for your career. 37:00 Yeah, he'd probably say, no, I need to chase three, four, five, six. I think I can. And he would be worthy of that confidence. Mm-hmm. 37:08 But I'll bet you if you asked him today, you can jump in a time machine and just pick off one of those two against the Panthers, and that's it. 37:15 He'd pay for that luxury. I'm almost coming around on women. Yeah, I'm on that one now. 37:21 It's hard to win two now in the NBA. The entire league is set up to not win two. Yeah, he's got a great supporting cast. They're going to trade one of them in two years. 37:30 Harper or Castle, one of them, they're not playing there forever. Can't happen. No. 37:35 It can't happen. 37:35 I don't like what these second-eighths are doing to basketball right now. 37:39 I like that everyone gets their turn to feel happy, but I like it when there's pockets of joy and misery to offset the battle. Yeah. Can't wait. Well, something's coming in baseball. 37:50 They're going to have a different economy in Major League Baseball. It may not be a salary cap or whatever, but something's coming. 37:58 It's going to be a major change. I hope it doesn't take as long as the aprons for me to understand. The aprons are still very confusing. 38:07 The worst part is you can't trade. Like, there's all these trade rules once you pass a certain level that I don't understand. 38:12 Incredibly punitive. And, you know, Jalen Brown, like Lou Dort just got traded the other day. And, you know, he's a little bit further down, but he's been like a mainstay there. Like, him and Shea have been, like, those guys are playing. Obviously, Shea's a different beast. 38:27 All right. We've already kind of done the Maple Leaf one. What was it? Well, let me do a reasonable Maple Leaf one. Yeah, I want to hear it. The Leafs walk in arbitration. They're offered a loss in the first round of the playoffs. 38:39 You don't take that? 38:41 No. 38:42 But you keep saying it could be so much worse. This would guarantee they had a good year with Hiller. Chayka's moves worked. They didn't have the same playoff history. 38:53 That is like the lowest bar of success to me. Do you have them as a playoff team right now? I've been thinking about, I mean, I only thought about it a little bit. I was thinking of them as like a 90 to 100, somewhere on that scale. That's like maybe, maybe not. 39:08 Exactly. It took 99 points to make the playoffs. 39:11 Yeah, but let's say that happened, and we looked at their season, and we're like, was that a success? I would say no. It would have been 60. But are they winning the Cup next year? Probably not. 39:23 That's the point. 39:26 Crazier things have happened. You can cite the Blue Jays in 2025. I didn't see them going to a World Series. I didn't see them winning 94 games. It happened. 39:38 That's more than like, in my opinion, if I had to predict the Leafs going on some, when they get to a Stanley Cup final, it will be a kind of out of left field scenario. You think so? I think it'll be the Oilers in 06. 39:54 That doesn't seem to happen as much anymore, though. 39:59 Yeah, I mean, I'd have to think of the last time there was. Florida was kind of that. 40:03 You could kind of say Vegas last year. 40:04 Yeah, Vegas didn't have a great year. Now they have the reputation of being a very well-run organization with a ton of talent. 40:11 But they were bad at times last year, like really bad. Their coach got fired. Right. Florida was a point away from missing the playoffs in 23. They got all the way to a cup final. Yeah. So, like, I think those two would classify. 40:24 Now that we know what Florida is, it's not as surprising as we look back on 23. I just, I don't, I don't know. I mean, I hope I'm wrong. I'd prefer the Leafs to build it properly, build up, and then have sustained success. 40:38 But it just feels more likely in this market with this team and their history that they're just going to find a way to get in and then go on some crazy run. The next thing you know, you wake up and they're in a cup final because a goalie got hot, a couple of guys got hot, things brought their way in terms of the bracket. 40:52 Now, Mark, do it like the paper in the movies where now say it's July 20... 40:58 Second. I said this is going to happen. 41:02 Then they can play the cliff. Well, that's true. There you go. I'll cite this if they go on a heater next year. 41:08 I said it was possible. 41:11 It's possible. 41:12 But I think I'd take them losing in the first round. 41:14 That's just loser mentality. 41:16 Yeah. I hate to break it to you. 41:19 Do you know the team we're talking about right now? I hate to break it to you, Jonas. Just want to be invited. At least it would make the regular season compelling. That means they had a good regular season. 41:30 Congrats. I don't see the way they're built. I don't see them in a cup window right now. 41:36 That's their whole goal. 41:37 What is their ceiling right now? 41:41 Second round? Could they win a round? Sure. I don't know. It depends on so many things. 41:47 This is guaranteeing. 41:50 Things break your way during the regular season. 41:52 How many banners are there in the ACC for the first round losses? 41:58 None that I'm aware of. Wild card banners, maybe. Those exist. 42:04 They hang. That's tough. Oh, the Jays, they're very big proponents of being a wild card. Get rid of that. 42:12 They like it. They're fans of that. All right, there you go. A little arbitration. 42:17 That was good stuff. 42:19 Yeah, I mean, listen, we're going to be playing it with the Blue Jays next year. Like, if this continues down this path, get ready for it, Keegan. I know you'll be talking about it. 42:27 But can they make the playoffs next year? That'll be the big question. 42:31 If you're spending $300 million, you better make the playoffs. 42:34 Can they make the playoffs? That's true. Well, that would apply this year, and it obviously didn't work out. Nope. 42:40 Or it's not working out as of now. All right, best bets coming up. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. 42:48 Hey, I'm Ruby Carr, the host of the podcast Encore. Check out our brand new episodes featuring music from the show that everyone is reheating as we speak, Heated Rivalry. 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They know this team is wounded. 43:54 Tampa, I don't think they're worried about the Red Sox right now. But they want to win the American League East. And this is kind of a free pass, the way the Jays are playing right now. 44:05 So I think... 44:06 I think the Rays put runs on the board. And at some point, the Jays are likely to score some runs. Right, Jonas? Any runs. 44:15 So I'll take the over tonight. Best bets powered by FanDuel. Same game parlay is available for every MLB game on the FanDuel Sportsbook app. Please play responsibly, 19+, physically located in Ontario. 44:26 Again, I'm done with the Vladdy props. Not going to happen. 44:30 He'll be taking a bus to work, man. Not going to happen. Be careful out there. I know. It's a grind. We're going to be, though, in August, and he's going to bring this up again. You know what? Because you're kind of making the law of averages play. You know what? It hasn't happened yet. At some point, it's got to happen. It has to. 44:47 Yeah. At some point, it's got to happen. 44:48 He has not hit his last home run ever. No. 44:52 I'm curious. Like, I've already, in a way, almost turned the page on this season. Like, he's just got to get to the finish line. You know, the kind of team is in that spot right now. They just have so many games still left to be played. You can't have that attitude. 45:06 But... 45:07 Nothing he's going to do between now and the end of the year is going to kind of salvage things. 45:11 Unless they went on some tear and he was the leader of it. 45:15 Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, sure. That's the only thing. Obviously, if they went 15 in a row and he hits 20 home runs over that run, then people are going to forget what happened and there would be excitement. But I'm not holding my breath on that. My point is, even if he kind of gets hot... in September, where he hits five home runs in September, and he's got an OPS of 980, and you're like, hey, that's not going to work in terms of launching next season into some sort of optimistic viewpoint. He's just got to get to the finish line and reset. 45:43 Get to the offseason. Yeah, just get there and just shut it down. Get to next spring training, and we can go through the same cycle we go through every spring training. where no one understands that if you pose differently, your body looks differently, and everyone says, man, he's been in the gym. Listen, as a guy that's not petite myself, I know that if you lift your arms up, the rest of your body comes up with it. It's about posing in February and March. Let's skip to that point. where he's in the best shape of his life, I think he will be the most motivated person on the planet next spring. And that can be the big middle finger up season for Vladdy. 46:17 But the trouble with baseball is that you've got a whole bunch of games after it goes bad. 46:21 Got to keep playing every single night. And they play again tonight. 46:25 It's a threat. Every single night. 46:27 And they'll play tomorrow and then Friday and Saturday. 46:31 And Sunday down in Boston. Red Sox winning again today. It's 15 in a row. They've got another game tonight against Baltimore. 46:39 Jays race tonight. 46:40 All right, boys. Good stuff. Thanks, fellas. Thanks for doing this. Thank you. We appreciate it greatly. Thanks to everyone behind the scenes for helping out. We appreciate it. Everyone for tuning in today. TV, radio, podcast, web, up on YouTube live and streaming shortly up on Crave. We're out of here. Enjoy your evenings. Enjoy the games tonight. We're back tomorrow at 4 p.m. We'll chat then. 46:59 Hi, it's Katy Perry. Hey, it's Bruno Mars. This is Kesha. 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